Apr 6, 2022
Grab your Ouija board, because we're talking to KLAUS
HARGREEVES! How can the Seance make a better connection with the
living instead of the dead? Tune in to find out!
- We’re back! Thanks for all your kind words & thoughts
- New Patron - Austin!
- Reminder of AMA for 150
- Background (3:35)
- Number Four (The Seance/Klaus Hargreeves) created by Gerard Way
and Gabriel Ba in The Umbrella Academy #1
- Go back to Issue 130 for a look at Number Five
- The Umbrella Academy is a team of seven superpowered children,
born to women who previously showed no signs of pregnancy - all
adopted by Dr. Reginald Hargreeves, a wealthy philanthropist
(secretly an alien)
- Vol. 1 - Apocalypse Suite - Klaus introduced as part of the
team, a group of 10 year old children who stop the Eiffel Tower
from destroying the world 20 years ago - in the present, their
adoptive father Dr. Hargreeves dies, and the team reunites to bury
and mourn him
- Their adoptive sister Vanya, long thought to be the only
non-powered member of the team, turns out to be the most powerful,
and undergoes surgery to enhance her powers of weaponizing sound -
the team bands together to stop her, and Klaus channels Dr.
Hargreeves and Igor Stravinsky as part of the plan before using his
telekinetic ability to stop pieces of the moon from slamming into
- Vol. 2 - Dallas - Klaus is captured by agents from the Temps
Aeternalis, an organization overseeing time travel, in an attempt
to find his brother Number Five, and murdered - he doesn’t stay
dead, however, returning to possess the agents and kill them in
revenge (God kicks him out of Heaven)
- He, Spaceboy, and the Kraken all travel back in time to Vietnam
to stop Number Five from assassinating JFK and irrevocably altering
history, but then have to stop the agents from also killing Number
- Vol. 3 - Hotel Oblivion - Klaus is essentially a junkie being
pimped out by a biker gang, who uses his ability to scam people
into talking to their deceased relatives about hidden money, and
then the gang leaders dig it up - Klaus turns on the abusers - he
then joins his siblings in battling villains that escaped from an
interdimensional prison built by their father - the volume ends
with the team encountering the Sparrow Academy, a rival group of
similarly powered “siblings”
- Issues - Theme is detachment (8:17)
- Living surrounded by dead people
- Drug use as a coping mechanism (15:24)
- Relationship with siblings constantly strained, both by his own
actions and those of the team, but he’s always one of the most
“loyal” members of the team (22:30)
- Break (27:59)
- Treatment (30:11)
- In-universe -
- Out of universe - (33:22) Focus on getting the drug use
addressed first, then address childhood trauma
- Skit (41:32)
- DOC: Hello Klaus, I’m Dr. Issues.
- KLAUS: Hello Doctor, pleased to meet you.
- DOC: So what can I help you with?
- KLAUS: I’m not sure. I don’t know if you can help me. Not your
fault, just that I don’t think even a mental health professional
can comprehend what I’m all about.
- DOC: I’m not pretending to be an expert in everything, but I’m
a relatively fast learner. Try me.
- KLAUS: Ever been in a war?
- DOC: No
- KLAUS: Ever levitated?
- DOC: No, but I’ve been around some people who can fly.
- KLAUS: Ever shot up?
- DOC: Can’t say that I have.
- KLAUS: Come On! I was giving you an easy one.
- DOC: I work with peer counselors all of the time; I’m not going
to lie to placate your sensibilities. I know it’s not the same
- KLAUS: I’m not one for those “blank” A meetings anyway
- DOC: Which ones? AA, NA?
- KLAUS: Yes.
- DOC: I see. It’s interesting that you seem most closed off
about the substance use when you also mentioned physical conflicts
and the supernatural.
- KLAUS: Oh no, I don’t hide that either. I’m just tired of my
abilities being used as a cheap parlor trick, or worse yet, as a
way to scam money out of well-intentioned but clueless people.
- DOC: Indeed. Entertaining a person doesn’t garner their
attention the same as having a conversation. I will say though,
that the two don’t have to be separate.
- KLAUS: Well I don’t “entertain” as much as “shock the hell out
of” people, but I get your point. No, I can strike a balance.
That’s where the dynamic shifts. You think talking to someone in
trouble is speaking to their soul. Man, I SPEAK TO THEIR SOUL.
- DOC: What kind of lessons have you learned from that?
- KLAUS: Their regrets, mostly. Even the dead can still worry. I
bet there’s some you’d like-
- DOC: Don’t go there.
- KLAUS: Oh…*some sort of magical sound* Oh. I see. Well, that’s
- DOC: Not as much as you’d think. Us mere mortals may not delve
into that realm as frequently as you, but that doesn’t mean there
isn’t a connection. Every. Single. Day. Even just for a few
- KLAUS: Humor helps.
- DOC: Don’t I know it! Is that your go-to coping mechanism?
- KLAUS: Plenty, but it’s a quick fix. No, the problem, I think,
is that there’s no way to “move on” for me. Folks like you get that
transition and go about your business. I’m just the chump that gets
the feedback loop when others pass along. Gotta dampen that
- DOC: That’s a common plight among those who suffer from
- KLAUS: It’s not all suffering, I
- DOC: *interrupting*You enjoy it until you can’t, yeah I realize
that. What’s your motivation to change?
- KLAUS: *pause* I want to see where this goes.
- DOC: I don’t have a particular agenda for how many
- KLAUS: *interrupting* No, I mean ALL of this. It’s a lot, man.
I get put in spots where I’m expected to call on some sort of
“great wisdom through the ages” but I just want to listen to some
music. Notice the little things. Be trivial. That’s not as bad as
it seems. My family, they get bogged down with saving the world
when they can’t save themselves. Dad was…well, whatever the hell he
was. That’s what I’ve learned from the dead.
- DOC: That’s…more than I care to imagine. I try to put myself in
someone else’s shoes, but you…I don’t even know where to
- KLAUS: Yeah, it’s a trip. That’s where all the… substances come
in. Help clear my head. I figure if I have to see all kindsa weird
stuff, at least I can do it to myself.
- DOC: I can’t even ask “why the pain?” Because it’s obvious.
Maybe a slight tweak. What do you FOR yourself?
- KLAUS: I just told you.
- DOC: Nope. You said TO yourself; as if your existence is a
trivial one that can be used as a plaything. Just how important is
your life compared to others?
- KLAUS: I mean, what difference does it make about the value of
my life? I’ve come back from the dead at least twice, so clearly
life and death don’t mean a whole helluva lot to me. And my
siblings, well… I… “love” them, I guess. The world would be a lot
worse off without them.
- DOC: So you show grace to those you love, but not to yourself,
because you’ve had an experience that’s different from their own,
AND YET, you view your unique experience as a negative to your self
worth. That’s what you’re telling me? I don’t buy it.
- KLAUS: Oh, our experiences are negatives to all of us. Not one
of us is happy for what we’ve been through. My point is just that
compared to them, I’m somehow less well adjusted. I mean, it’s what
it is. I’m just calling it like I see it. Not looking for pity or
anything, that ship sailed a long time ago.
- DOC: Are these the things you told yourself when you died?
- KLAUS: Which time? But seriously, I’m just trying to do the
best with the cards I’ve been dealt. You a poker player?
- DOC: For the sake of rapport…yes.
- KLAUS: So I’ve got a three-eight offsuit. Flop came down Men’s
Wearhouse, all faces. I’m looking for a runner-runner and praying
to pull trips. That’s my daily existence. Get the picture?
- DOC: Yup. But there’s so much you’re not saying that’s vital to
the hand. What’s your position at the table? What are the stacks?
Plus, you have a “cheater’s edge” in your pocket. You’re worried
about what the dealer is going to think if you use inside
information, not to mention the interactions that you have that can
either bluff or intimidate the weak lays. There is so much more
than basic math that would allow for you to come out with a
- KLAUS: Hmph. Fair points, Amarillo Doc.I suppose I can do a
better job of reading the players at the table. Any
- DOC: Start with yourself. Know your tells. Don’t telegraph
everything at once and wonder why everyone pushes you around with a
bad hand. You have an ability that gets to see the turn and river
over and over after the hand is done. Use that in how you deal with
- KLAUS: And I suppose you’ll recommend I do this all with a
- DOC: Well, NO S**T.
- KLAUS: I can’t promise it’ll be all the time. But I suppose I
can take a break from time to time and get a better handle on
things. Now that we’re done with that, ever done shrooms?
- DOC: I’ll tell you what I tell most folks: Just say no to most
- KLAUS: Well if you ever wanna take a trip with me, you know
where to find me.
- Ending (62:11)
- Recommended reading: Vol. 3 is heavily focused on Klaus
- Next episodes: 150th episode, Moon Knight redux, Elsa
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